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Sean

Jordan - You say it is "also right to demand that the economy is managed". I would counter with the following quote from a WISE man - "The statesman who would attempt to direct private people in what manner they ought to employ their capitals, would not only load himself with a most unnecessary attention, but assume an authority which could safely be trusted, not only to no single person, but to no council or senate whatever, and which would nowhere be so dangerous as in the hands of a man who had folly and presumption enough to fancy himself fit to exercise it." I get the impression that you are acquanted with many such fools. Any 'plan' to redistribute wealth has to start with confiscation - how is this a 'moral' system? Besides, I think it foolish to promote a system in which the perpetual benevolence of the rulers is assumed!

Jordan

I don't argue based on libertarian premises, Sean, so I'm afraid there's not much point in engaging in a debate based on your comment. I'd just remind you that tax is not theft, and there's more to freedom than pretending to be an island, which you are not - much as you might like to be.

Jordan

Sean

I'd agree tax is not theft - it's 'legalised' plunder. I just think it should be minimised is all...

Amanda

I agree with much of what you say.

The problem with how to motivate the able bodied poor to work has always been something the left has struggled with.

Individuals have some individual responsibility. Of course, they do. But obviously its stupid and wrong to expect people who are starting from the bottom of the social heap- poor schooling, poor housing, poor nutrition etc to just gladly and easily socially integrate through paid employment and the marketplace There is no completing on a "level playing field" when the playing field isn't level. In

I don't have the answers but I think its more complex than the state generating jobs and addressing inequality in general though obviously those are good things too.

I'm now taking the liberty of recommending some thought provoking readings!! Feel free to ignore them of course

Andre Gorz, Reclaiming Work: beyond the wage- based society

Aronowitz and Cutler, Post Work

Sharon Beder, Selling the Work ethic: from Puritan Pulpit to Corporate PR

Millsy

The answer is quite simple - higher wages.

span(ner in the works)

yes it is interesting that the way to increase the productivity of the rich seems to be to pay them more, while to increase the productivity of the poor you pay them less (or expect less of them to do more work)

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