South!

Off to the mainland for the weekend, back to blogging on Tuesday!

Comments

[burt]

Brave Sir Jordan ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Jordan turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Jordan!

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge...

[Clint Heine]

It wouldn't be Sir Jordan, remember, Labour got rid of them as well :(

[Keys a scumbag dont you know]

man the word acerbic springs to light. Get a life fellas, everyone deserves a holiday, you guys should take that advice and get out a bit more

[Billy]

keys a scumbag: you desperately need an apostrophe. Desperately.

[toms]

Well its good to know burt is familiar with Monty Python, defying all evidence to the contrary that right whingers are poorly educated bigots.

[Clint Heine]

Ahh Toms, I see you fall quite nicely into Labours support base. The name calling suits you well. Care to shed light on that brilliant prose?

[burt]

I think toms must be too young to remember the time when NZ (unlike almost all other countries at the time) had only one state TV channel and Monty Python was served up to us via that medium. You had two choices back then - watch Monty Python or turn the TV off.

Bring back goodnight kiwi !

Go easy on him Clint, he's either young and lefty, old enough to have been there but has no memory (which would also explain him being a lefty) or he wasn't in NZ at that time - the days before Chardonnay was allowed to be imported and lefties had an ideology rather than a big stick to beat "nasty people" !

[Clint Heine]

Thanks Burt, I suspect you are bang on the button there!

[peter mck]

As it seems the anti-smacking has gone off the agenda a little, we can now look forward to Labour's next trick - trying to defend the indefensible - the election spending proposals that are currently being put up.

Looks like we did not have to wait too long for labour to yet again misjudge the political landscape.

This will have a long way to yet run and already the news and papers are sceptical of the proposals being put up. And then you have to buy the support of the minor parties.

Basically what Labour is proposing is an affront to free speech and a vigorous democratic system. It reeks of corruption dishonesty, and manipulation. I am sure the average voter will see through this and together with Labour's behaviour in the last election, ensure that you are confined to the opposition benches from 2008 for a very long time.

As always I look forward to you publishing the Labour Party spin so that it can be mercilessly destroyed on this and other blogs. I hope you enjoyed your break away because you are going to be very busy with this shit-fight.

[Clint Heine]

What Jordan will do is what he did to avoid discussing the crime stats last week, he will post some National/Nazi/Nasty party post, deflect all the discussion on how inept he is and then in response try and spin a few made up figures from his head to justify that he was right all along.

After all, 83+% of Kiwis are wrong, Jordan is right, remember that when he is unemployed after the next election :)

[Jordan Carter]

You really are quite an amusing lot. I don't know what I'd do without you!

Oh, and Clint, I know that you're a man who needs things repeated a few times, but here we go again: I don't work for the government, and my job bears no relationship to what happens at general elections. Sorry to disappoint!

[Clint Heine]

Insults won't deflect from the point that you represent on this blog the lowest form of politics we have ever seen in NZ. I see repeating facts to you hasn't made you wiser. Look and read again your posts last week that you scampered away from when the going got too tough for you.

What I find amusing is that you will be past your use by date sooner than later and wonder where it all went wrong. Having your head up Clarks ass isn't an admirable quality!

[Irony]

"Insults won't deflect from the point that you represent on this blog the lowest form of politics we have ever seen in NZ. I see repeating facts to you hasn't made you wiser. Look and read again your posts last week that you scampered away from when the going got too tough for you.

What I find amusing is that you will be past your use by date sooner than later and wonder where it all went wrong. Having your head up Clarks ass isn't an admirable quality!"

Irony to Clint, come in Clint!

[clint's irony]

Hello. This is Clint's irony. Or in the words of Bart Simpson, "The ironing is delicious"

[Jordan]

Clint, are you sure you haven't got me mistaken for someone else? There are plenty of blogs which might exhibit "the lowest form of politics we have ever seen in NZ" but there's no rational argument you can sustain which holds this blog to be among them.

[Clint Heine]

The spin and misinformation you reitterate on this blog to people who might not no any better is what I meant. Thank goodness the majority of readers here don't see through it.

Touche Irony/C Irony.

[Jordan Carter]

LOL! I think what you are saying is, "I don't like you because you are good at framing arguments in progressive ways, and the facts you post on your blog don't agree with my prejudices." Happy to wear that translation, any day of the year.

[Anon]

Jordan - you are not good at "framing arguments in progressive ways". Your efforts are laughable. They come across as amateur spin. That's why we love visiting here - the light relief.

[Clint Heine]

No Jordan I never put it like that but canunderstand how you managed to spin it that way. Seriously, you really don't get it do you? Kepe it up, we need a good laugh.

[burt]

Jordan

My dear old granny (rest in peace) once said to me.... 'What people accuse you of doing is usually what they would have done in the same situation' - Good advice I have found. If I had posted 'nasty & nasty 2' I would have headed for the hills as well, so of course I accusing you of running away earlier in this thread. I smirk when I read your response to Clint Heine :=)

"I don't like you because you are good at framing arguments in progressive ways, and the facts you post on your blog don't agree with my prejudices."

[Jordan Carter]

You can smirk all you like, of course. It says a considerable amount about you. And as for feedback as to how this blog is regarded, do believe me when I say fringe right wingers aren't my key audience. People interested in politics in the moderate centre left and right *are* my key audience, and the feedback I get from there is what matters.

(I shouldn't need to say so, but since many commenters are so poor at working it out... that broad feedback is quite different to what comes in the delerious and disgusting comment threads you lot so love creating.)

[burt]

Jordan

I think we need some boundaries, you outbursts are confusing some of us. In your 'about' you call yourself a socialist, yet you say your key audience is "People interested in politics in the moderate centre left and right". This sounds more like a Labour party key audience, this oxymoron of your stated position and the contents of your posts is what draws all the flack from what you call "right wing" blogers. Do you know how many times in my life I have voted Labour ? Given you are late 20's and I'm a bit older than that - I would say more time than you have.

I'm confused, it seems to me that any critique of your thoughts brings an inaccurate and spiteful response.

[Jordan Carter]

Burt, I suggest you go and read your comments and consider what impression they give of you. Given that you seem unwilling to have a blog of your own, and therefore probably don't see what you write in any consolidated form, I would suggest that if you did put your stuff together and read it, you'd understand how I have come to the impression of you that I have.

Your comment above is characteristic of your approach. It is both condescending and inaccurate. I've never made an "outburst" on my blog, which by definition implies an irrational and unconsidered post. None of

Further, there is no contradiction between my self-defined political position, and who I am writing for. What would be more boring than a convinced ideologue writing for themselves? (Go and read sirhumphreys or whaleoil to see what that is like).

Given the tone of your comments, I am skeptical of your assertion that you are a Labour supporter. You spend more time attacking the government and those of us who support it than you ever do attacking Labour's enemies. If you share any common ground with Labour's principles and objectives, why is all your criticism directed at Labour? (A caveat: I don't find much time to read the right wing blogs, so my impression is based on what could at best be called a very small sample.)

If you think that most of the commenters here (including those who resort to distortions, smears or outright lies) are not fairly described as 'right wing bloggers' then your sense of political spectrum is not a Kiwi one.

Self justification is a boring process at the best of times. What I write here stands on its own two feet. This comment is no doubt a waste of time, and won't change anyone's mind. I won't make any further like it.

[Clint Heine]

I think you will find Jordan if you read many other blogs from all over the spectrum, there are a lot of Labour voters who have written about their disgust at voting Labour and have apologised for it. I thought one or two would be normal, but I have seen dozens.

Set sail to obliteration in 08!

[span]

Really Clint? Once again evidence in the form of urls is somewhat lacking...