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burt

Jordan

All the Fijian Govt need to do is have a hissy fit at all the people who disagree with them, close down all comments on the blogs and keep publishing their own spin.

Just how do you dont_make_comments_against_my_party_political_broadcast_jordan plan to show solid support for free speech ?

Whaleoil

I note that you are not providing the same facility for oppressed Chinese Bloggers either.

Take note, your union has been notified of your unauthorised protest action.

span

So Burt and Whaleoil are you with us or against us (as George W might say).

FijianBlack

Thanks for the offer. We need all the asistance we can get. We are now being hunted for expressing our views. The people who are commenting the way they are about your support of us, should realise that we don't do this for fun..it's a matter of life and death in Fiji.

Thank you for your support.

FijianBlack

Jordan Carter

FijianBlack - if you email me I can help connect you with some safer, anonymous hosting.

As for the rest, Span, please don't bother to engage those people on here. If they had an ounce of intelligence, they would realise that me allowing or not allowing comments on my blog has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.

burt

Jordan

The number and nature of the guest posts that are featured on your blog will be the best marking stick for how you really feel about free speech.

Will you allow comments on these guest posts? That will be the first indicator I'll be scoring you on. As I asked, how do you plan to show solid support for free speech ?

Whaleoil

Clearly Jordan you know nothing about Fiji. I however know a great deal having been born there. This is bollocks.

Span, i am always for free speech but I note your and Jordans distinct lack of perspective in supporting "oppressed" bloggers of one country whilst ignoring others.

I also am yet to hear a valid argument as to why we should be supporting the reinstatement of such a blatant racist constitution in Fiji.

The GCC is also one of the most corrupt bodies in Fiji and it is about time someone sorted that little nest of vipers out.

before you go running off at the mouth, find out about Fiji itself, and why the vast majority of Fijians support what Fb is doing to clean the place up.

Clint Heine

Umm Jordan. When did you suddenly become a spokesman for any group of bloggers? You and Span are members of the NBZU and I don't remember us ever supporting Fiijian bloggers. Jordan, you are one of the worst examples of how to run a blog in New Zealand - you censor opinions that you disagree with and you only allow comments on the subjects that you choose. Yur hypocrisy is breathtaking, but it won't get you banned from your compulsory bloggers union.

Peter Wilson

Well done Jordan. Hopefully the old saying about the internet interpreting censorship and routing around it is still true.

As for the trolls, the simple answer everyone is to not bother feeding them. It is tempting though...

Peter

Jordan Carter

Burt, I think that there are other hosting arrangements being made. Given the kinds of comments that arise on this blog, I doubt anyone sane would want to turn them on to allow similar streams of abuse.

The freedom of speech argument is of course a complete red herring. Anyone in NZ is free to have a blog and say what they like, in the context of the law of defamation etc. In this country, the government isn't going to hunt you down for saying whatever you like.

Fiji is not the same, unfortunately. One can be disinterested in the causes of the coup, agnostic about Fiji's future direction, offer no judgement about the structure of Fijian society - and still abhor oppressive actions. Only those of a certain level of dimness could see any contradiction there.

Clint Heine

Note that you have not even allowed comments on your most recent posts Jordan. Care to repeat that freedom of speech argument or will you just repeat your Labour fibs and ignore the hundred people a day leaving NZ. to soak up the wealth on offer in Aussie.

Whaleoil

"the government isn't going to hunt you down for saying whatever you like."

Hmmm...I wonder what Tim Selwyn has to say about that?

burt

Jordan

Is it possible for you to reply to me without denigrating my intelligence?

Clint Heine

Burt, I wouldn't hold my breath. Jordan blocked comments on his little graphs and cartoons and yet is preaching free expression of debate and opinion. Do you think he will give any form of straight answer at all?

Jordan

Burt - I haven't insulted your intelligence. I have pointed out that your argument is flawed, and I have said that anyone who truly believes there is a contradiction is dim. You haven't asserted a contradiction, though you come close.

If you are so sensitive, then you are doing the wrong thing posting comments on blogs.

And I simply reiterate the point. I cannot comprehend why people feel my allowing them a privilege - to post content on my blog, attached to my name - is a right. It is no such thing. The right is to obtain a blog of your own and say what you like about it, within the law.

Honestly, running that argument simply makes you look silly. And the hypocrisy, from people who supposedly believe in property rights, is downright funny.

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