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Anita

If you had a private member's bill that you were kind of fond of and you had to hand it over to a colleague, if your choices were Douglas, Boscawen and Garrett there could be only one answer.

Jordan Carter

Jeremy, wasn't Douglas elected earlier than that, to the seat of Manukau in 1969?

Jeremy

Anita: Personally, I'll give it to Boscawen. He doesn't have the baggage that Douglas does, and he ran a pretty solid Mt Albert by-election campaign. He seems like a safer pair of hands.

Completely agree re: Garrett though.

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't have written this post if the aforementioned bill was in Boscawen's name rather than Douglas'.

Jordan: my mistake, noted and corrected.

Graeme Edgeler

They're now called members' bills, rather than private members' bills, but you've got it basically right.

There is the difference that given they are in a governing arrangement with National, they have other options. One of ACT's big pre-election policies was "three strikes" but Garrett doesn't need it as a members' bill because he got Simon Power to introduce (a form of) it as a government bill.

Maybe the other things Douglas really wants are being dealt with through government processes rather than legislative ones? Also, members bills aren't best used as a mechanism to address discrete changes - the detail rich economic stuff Douglas might be interested in advancing possibly needs the policy grunt of a Treasury of MED behind it.

Clint Heine

Err, how does sponsoring making union membership voluntary fall out of the category of the values that ACT have always supported?

Key has made it clear he doesn't want Sir Rogers support, so he is doing all the little things that will help us in the long run. Not every MP gets to go for glory all the time and this bill isn't such a small thing - something you ex Union presidents like to remind students every year :)

peteremcc

Clint, I think Jordan was making the point that for Roger, shouldn't there be more important issues.

Of course, Jordan forgets that all Member's bills are subject to a veto by the minister of finance if he deems them too expensive, so there isn't really much point in submitting those kinds of bills in the first place.

Jeremy

Petermcc - I wrote this piece, not Jordan. Your first statement is correct. While ACT's take on VSM has been clear for years, I would have thought that Douglas (personally) would have had bigger fish to fry.

In terms of the minister getting veto over members bills - do they really? I may have confused matters here, but why didn't the Labour Minister of Labour (Dyson?) veto Mapp's 90-days-no-rights bill? Besides, since when did Roger Douglas care what Bill English or John Key thought/did?

dave

Douglas' treatment is very similar to a certain Labour MP who was handed a members bill to front that aims to entrench the Maori seats. The MP is a Maori.A former minister, now a humble list MP who doesnt say much in Parliament. He is the most invisible Maori in Parliament. But he is a Maori and that's why he is fronting it.

George Darroch

People aren't always rational. They often think that student politics is terribly important ;)

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