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BruceS

Interesting post Jordan. I think one of the commentators on election night summed it up for. The pacifica population (many churched) were put off by Labour's social policies and because of them have not returned to the party.

When Labour return to representing a wider group of the population then they will return.

Also you talk about social democratic values but do not practice it because the unions get a way bigger say - it is not one vote per one person.

Don

Hi Jordan, Don Here.

Can I suggest the following:

1) The Greens ran a mature, positive campaign. They focused on the ball, not the player. When their supporters defaced the National billboards, they took responsibility right away. Not a snicker in sight. They certainly would have taken some of your vote. This is a paradigm to follow.

2) Stop attacking the opposition MPs specifically and their actions more generally. Don't automatically be against anything that doesn't come from Labour. Accept that National, Peter Dunne and even ACT can have some good ideas. Work with them.

3)Offer, honestly and regularly, to work with the National party on research and policy and programmes. If you're turned down, keep trying, offering. [I saw Trevor Mallard do this in Education in the house last term. Phil Goff said that he'd written to the Prime Minister twice offering bi-partisan solutions. If only these hadn't been so few and so seldom.] John Key did this on the Anti-Smacking bill when he was in opposition - and got rejected.]

4) Focus on what you're about and try to work with the Gov't to achieve a better solution for all NZ.

Yes - Labour and National are different. But National aren't nearly as bad as Labour might suggest. They didn't reintroduce Interest on Student Loans (a dumb original policy if you ask me); They haven't gutted Gov't funded health care; They haven't gutted quite a lot of programs - some of which I think they should have.

So - before I get too far off the track, I urge Labour to focus on the positive, on honest and realistic policies, and to actively and publically work with all of Parliament for the benefit of all of New Zealand.

You'll then be campaiging from a morally superior position and we'll see Labour in a very different light at the next election.

That's my 2c.

ME

I wholeheartedly agree with you JC! We need to listen to people out there. I was out there canvassing and didn't feel this coming at all - perhaps cos we were doing all the talking? We have a short window of time where people are still engaged in the election enough to say what they were thinking on E day. We need to not defend, and not justify. Just listen.
We do have a great history and clear values to rebuild from (refer to opening TV statement). We've articulated those values again (albeit I dare say a month before E day was a bit too late), and I'm positive we do have a clear and critical place in the political context.
I agree we need a strong movement around and behind us. We need clear action planning - from branches to LECs to regions etc. And they have to be built around more than just campaigning to 2014. The community see through that. We have to be seen genuinely and purposefully walking the talk.
Thanks for a great blog.

kate  reilly

Thanks Jordan found this very useful.

Eleanor Doig

The Occupy movement is articulating the vision we need. Reducing the gross inequities in income and regulating tax and financial systems to ensure they do comply with their social responsibilities. The concepts of fairness, equality and independence are deeply ingrained in our national psyche and I believe it is to these fundamentals we need to appeal. I wonder if it has been the absence of articulate resistance to the power of finance and corporations which led to the indifference shown on 26th Nov? There is such a sense that money is power and that therefore those with both will always win, which has led to the response of 'what the hell - we can't do anything and no one is speaking for us' .

Pearl Todywalla

Good for a start. We need to list down 10 things National did that helped them to Win & 10 things which Labour did which got it defeated so badly. Few ..... 1) Strong Leader 2) Labour MP candidates should be strong, committed & having good chances of Win. 3) Policies shud be critically analysed before putting infront of the opposition & public. 4) Unless not sure that the policy is gona benefit to max public dnt announce it eg. Benefit for jobless, extension of retirement age etc. This time Labour put fwd so many policies in comparision to National - Outcome is clear. 5) Start the election prep early. GO_LABOUR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GNZ

I dont think you lost on ideas - you lost on image.
Ie the public supported you on asset sales - considered it a big issue - and didn't vote for you.

In the end a significant amont of people vote for the person they think looks like a nice smart guy with presence. So for a lot of voters it was a hoice between Key and some dude who often wears red and complains about everything (understandable I guess becase he gets no coverage any other way). And with labour leadership not seeming strong (at least to the voters) voters were free to just hand the vote on to the greens.

The other issue I found was that regardless of the facts (or election promises) many just didnt seem to trust labour to be fiscally conservative. To win that debate Labour probably needed to be so conservative that they would win on every timeframe.

Personally I voted for you because in my own little way I didn't want in the aftermath for rejection of your image to be mistaken for rejection of your more adventerous policy moves (most importantly to me the super age change).

Geoff

The thing the Labour Party really needs to reflect on is that one third of the electorate didn't vote. It can choose to reclaim votes off NZ First and Greens but therein lies the path to permament opposition. Labour needs to reconnect with those who did not vote.

Rich

Labour's got a bit of a choice:

- Either it wants to be a party of the centre (/right) and compete with National on competence issues to be the (old, white) men in charge of capitalism's life-support. If it does that, it'll get occasional terms in charge on the back of National's perceived failures (or electorate boredom). When things turn really bad though (and they will) Labour would then just be like UK Labour, the Italian Democrats, Greek Socialists, etc. in acting as a roadblock against change.

- The alternative is that it becomes part of a conversation as to how we run society in a world of rapidly diminishing resources, and part of a broader movement seeking radical change. That would probably mean no Labour-led governments until the Nats finally fail in their efforts to maintain middle class affluence.

lprent

I've learned a lot about the party, but have an overwhelming impression that, to be frank, and despite the hard work of many, we are miles behind where we need to be.

No kidding. I've been saying that since 1999 in just the two areas I look at. How to use volunteers effectively at electorate levels which is largely a data / targeting issue. And how to leverage social media inside the party.

It isn't too hard to get the systems running technically and in terms of people. Rather pointless learning to these things when the party has no facility to transfer knowledge.

I can't be bothered waiting until the party "thinks" things through. It is a lot easier to just do things outside and ignore the idiotic internal politics.

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